Monthly Climate Science and Energy Engineering Dinner

NYC Monthly Climate Dinner -- csaee_d


Purpose

We meet monthly for dinner on the second Monday of the month to discuss climate science and zero-carbon energy engineering.

We feel that you can't be of much use as an environmentalist unless you are technically well-informed. Environmental problems are scientific problems, and how to solve them is an engineering question. If you are not technically well-informed, you will make inaccurate statements about science that are an embarrassment to the environmental movement, and the solutions you advocate will be ill-advised and/or counter-productive. So the purpose of these dinners is to create a space for informative discussion of climate science and zero-carbon energy engineering.

Environmentalists who are scientifically poorly-informed have an infamous track record of making predictions (often dire) that do not materialize as scheduled, and advocating solutions that are poor engineering choices.


Date, Time, & Venue

We will meet on the second Monday of every month from 7:00 pm to 9:00 pm at the Skylight Diner see (map) at the southwest corner of 9th Avenue and West 34th Street in Midtown Manhattan, within easy reach of the A/C/E & 7 subways, and a block away from LIRR and NJ Transit at Penn Station.

The restaurant has a large menu with many cuisines and does separate checks for large groups, so everyone can pay with their own credit card.

Register
  • Click here to sign up to get announcements or send an email to "signup.climate.dinner@ccjj.info".
  • RSVP for the Monday, July 13th Dinner, 7:00 pm - 9:00 pm
  • Organizer: Bill Chapman
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  • 27 Minute Podcast Interview of the Organizer by RepublicEn, a conservative climate group
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  • Past Topics (click here)

    Optional Reading (we will assume most attendees haven't done the reading and give a presentation for 30-60 minutes at the start bringing everyone up to speed).

    This Month's Topic: "The Pause" in Satellite Temperature Data

    Around 2010, the Earth's warming as measured by satellite data seemed to have stopped.  Climate skeptics had a field day talking about "the pause" in warming.

    Here is a plot I made from the satellite data downloaded from the University of Alabama at Huntsville website:


    UAH Lower Troposphere Satellite Temperature Data

    The raw data was monthly, the red line is the monthly data averaged over a year, and the green line is monthly data averaged over 5 years, which is the most interesting as it makes it easier to observe long-term trends, which is what we are interested in.

    As one can observe, looking at the green line, that warming seems to have stopped from about 1998 to 2014, after which warming returned with a vengeance.  For years, climate skeptics kept saying "warming has stopped" because they weren't checking the latest data, and many of them are less than honest.

    The climate skeptic Roy Spencer is at the University of Alabama at Huntsville, and he makes this chart available on his website.

    It's the same data, but he does tricks to minimize the amount of warming that is apparent.  To begin with, he compresses the Y-axis relative to the X-axis for no appartent reason.  He never plots 5-year data.  His red line and my red line go up and down at the same time because they're both plotting the same thing.  He plots all these blue points that came from heaven-knows-where, it's probably monthly data which is seasonal, meaningless, and completely useless except to drown the signal in noise.

    To do a better job of drowning out the signal in noise, Spencer would have had to outright fabricate data, which I don't believe he did.

    The first time I saw Spencer's plot I didn't have my own plots of the satellite data.  A climate skeptic was showing me Spencer's plot in about 2021 and telling me with a straight face that the plot showed "no warming". I didn't agree -- I felt it showed warming, and that was what motivated me to do my own, more objective, plots, minimizing the noise and maximizing the signal.

    Interestingly, "the pause" didn't show up on surface temperature measurements.  NOAA provides plots:

    This is plotting a 5 year average of the data.  There's still "the pause", but now it's only from about 2008 to 2014 rather than 1998 to 2014.

    Some climate scientists argue that the reason for "the pause" in satellite temperature data was that the satellite was decaying in it's orbit, and here is a plot I made from data that had that decay adjusted for:

    "The pause" is still there, but much less evident.

    No matter whose plot one uses, whatever "pause" ever existed ended over a decade ago.


    Supporting Organizations (Thus Far)

    Organizer: Bill Chapman
    Cell: 212-810-0470 Email