Monthly Climate Dinner -- Past Topics



Anticipated Impacts of Climate Change:

These estimates were obtained conversing with ChatGTP, mostly based on its reading the IPCC reports, particularly AR6.

Overall Outlook Expected
Pathway Probability Global Mean Temp in 2100 (Rel to 1880) Global Mean Temp Range in 2100 (Rel to 1880) Temp Range in the Arctic in 2100 (Rel to 1880) CO2, ppm Likelihood of million-death heat wave per decade Likelihood, per decade, of a 30% global crop failure Probability of > 1 meter sea level rise by 2100
RCP 2.6 ~10-15% ~1.6° C 1.0-2.0° C ~3.2-4.8° C ~421 ppm ~0.75% ~0.2% ~1-4%
RCP 4.5 ~50-60% ~2.1° C 1.7-2.6° C ~4.2-6.3° C ~540 ppm ~1.5% ~1% ~5-15%
RCP 6.0 ~15-20% ~2.7° C 2.0-3.3° C ~5.4-8.1° C ~670 ppm ~4.5% ~5-10% ~10-30%
RCP 8.5 ~10-15% ~4.3° C 3.2-5.4° C ~8.6-12.9° C ~936 ppm ~20-25% ~10-20% ~30-60%

The probabilities of each RCP path are not precisely known, the percent values given here are speculative and rough.

RCP 2.6 is very optimistic and assumes that we will reach net zero by 2050 and remove some CO2 from the atmosphere after that.

Note that the poles warm much faster than the planet as a whole. This is problematic because global wind patterns are driven by the temperature gradient as one travels from the equator toward the poles, and prevailing wind and precipitation patterns may change, disrupting agriculture.

Once the concentration of CO2 rises above 1000 ppm, people can feel it -- the whole planet starts feeling like a stuffy room and people get uncomfortable. Some people start getting headaches and it can undermine attention-span. Sailors in submarines and astronauts are able to tolerate much higher levels than that, but it's uncomfortable for them. Note that such concentrations are unlikely before 2100, but may occur afterward.

Many people believe that climate change poses a risk of causing human extinction this century. According to the IPCC reports, that is extremely unlikely.

Heat Waves:

A heat wave in Europe in 2022 killed 60,000 people. When I lived in Germany as a kid in the 1960'-70's, no one had air conditioning, it just wasn't needed.

While the world will get hotter, we expect to get more prosperous and more of the people in hot countries will be able to afford air conditioning. But power grid failures are more likely during the heavy load when everyone turns on air conditioning during a heat wave, so a heat wave combined with a power failure could be catastrophic. For various reasons, heat waves kill more females than males.

Keep in mind that the numbers lost from heat waves are pretty small compared to the number who currently freeze to death -- about 4.5 million per year.

Crop Failures:

When I say "global crop failure of 30%" I mean "simultaneous crop failures in multiple regions amounting to a global loss of 30%".

Crop failures would be caused by droughts and flooding. Note that these numbers are for a global crop failure, which means crop failures in multiple breadbaskets at once. Crop failures in any one region in isolation would be much more likely.

The thing about crop failures, other than people directly starving, is if people are hungry but not quite starving, or being bankrupted by food prices skyrocketing, this could lead to a lot of civil unrest and even warfare, for example when a severe drought caused a 40% crop failure in Russia in 2010 led to food shortages and high food prices, which contributed to the beginning of the Arab Spring, which caused the Syrian civil war and the disintegration of Libya into a failed state, both of which caused huge flows of refugees into Europe and the rise of terrorist groups. The large flow of Islamic refugees into Europe contributed to the rise of far-right political parties all over that continent. And that was just a crop failure in one country, not a global crop failure.

Another consideration is that food production will migrate more to northern latitudes. This means that Russia will control a growing share of global food production. The current ruler of Russia is a dictator who frequently murders his political opposition and is so ruthless that he has been frequently threatening nuclear warfare against non-nuclear-armed countries and conducting drone and missile attacks on residential neighborhoods, deliberately killing civilians. It would be unfortunate to be trusting that government with the power to cut off the food supply to much of the world as a political weapon.

Sea-Level Rise:

One meter is roughly 3 feet and four inches.

The estimates of sea-level rise are very uncertain. Sea-level rise is mostly caused by three things:

  1. Thermal expansion of the water in the oceans as they warm up.
  2. Land ice melting in Greenland.
  3. Land ice melting in Antarctica.

"A" and "B" are fairly straightforward for climate scientists to model and predict, but there are some very large, unstable land-based glaciers in Antarctica whose breakup could be sudden and catastrophic, and it's very hard to predict exactly when they will let go and flow into the ocean. Therefore, the numbers given here are very uncertain.

One meter doesn't sound like much sea-level rise, since most people live much more than a meter above sea-level. But it's not like everything one meter about sea-level is safe -- when storms happen, there is often a large low-pressure area at the storm that sucks sea water toward it from all directions, resulting in a temporary sea-level rise. So you might think that you're safe at 2 meters above sea-level, but that's not the case -- during hurricane Sandy in New York City in 2012, the storm raised sea-level by 2.6 meters, which combined with high tide at the time was a 3.5 meter (10' 6") sea-level rise. Many neighborhoods and homes were flooded, an important power station in Manhattan was knocked out, subway tunnels were flooded, destroying electronic equipment in them. The R subway tunnel between Manhattan and Brooklyn was shut down for a year for repairs, and the L subway tunnel was partially shut down for awhile.

Note that the probability of a two meter sea-level rise by 2100 is ~1-3%.

Weakening of AMOC:

There is a 90% chance that the AMOC (Atlantic Meridonal Overturning Circulation) will be weakened, and a 1-10% chance that it could break down entirely.

This current brings warm water from the Caribbean toward Europe, making Europe much warmer than it would otherwise be. Holland, for example, has a climate similar to New York City, but it is at a latitude similar to north Ontario, Canada, which is so cold that very few people choose to live there.

As the AMOC weakens, Europe will get much colder and become a much less pleasant place to live.



Comparison of Battery Technologies:
Comparison of Battery Technlogies as of January 2026



If we are to transition to a non-nuclear grid powered by renewables (wind, solar, hydro, geothermal, wave) we face the intermittency problem.  People want the lights kept on even when the weather isn't cooperating, which means that some form of battery storage is needed.  I was in the same room as Al Gore 7 years ago when he said "Wind and Solar are already cheaper than fossil fuels." which is highly misleading -- they are cheaper in the middle of a sunny, windy day, but on calm nights and calm, cloudy weeks, battery backup is needed, and that's expensive.

One approach that is suggested is to have an extensive long-distance power grid, to get electricity from places where the weather is cooperating with renewables to places where it isn't, greatly reducing the chances of blackouts.  However, high voltage power lines have major NIMBY problems -- you need permission from every county they run through, which is difficult and time-consuming because they're ugly and spoil the view.  It typically takes 10 years to get permission to lay down a new long-distance power line. There have been improvements in power line technology where much larger amounts of power can now be transmitted through a set of power lines than was previously available.

I remember in the late 1970's there was a problem where criminals were blowing up high-voltage electrical towers in the country and demanding ransoms to stop doing it.

There are some places using lithium-ion batteries to back up renewables on the grid, but these usually have a capacity of about 4 hours, nowhere close to enough to keep the power on for a calm, cloudy week.

There is a battery storage site in Lincoln, Maine based on Form Energy iron-air batteries that is on the grid and has a 100-hour capacity (clarification -- this site is only a partial backup of the grid in that area, but the location, once fully charged, takes 100-hours to fully discharge the battery).  Form Energy also has installations in progress going on in other states.


The following table was generated from a lengthy conversation with ChatGPT in January 2026.
The costs of energy storage are the capital costs per kWh, not the cost to the electrical consumer per kWh they consume.
Technology Favorable siting ($/kWh @ ~100h) Unfavorable siting ($/kWh or status) Typical round-trip efficiency (%) Feasible or prohibitive under unfavorable siting? (why)
Pumped hydro (above-ground reservoirs) ~100–250 Prohibitive 75–85% Prohibitive. Requires two large reservoirs, substantial elevation difference, water rights, and a very large land footprint. Without favorable geography and permitting, there is no realistic fallback configuration.
Pumped hydro (underground / shaft / mined) ~150–300 Prohibitive 70–80% Prohibitive. Depends on highly specific geology and extensive tunneling/lining. Without ideal rock conditions, excavation costs and risk become overwhelming and projects are abandoned.
Sodium–sulfur (NaS) batteries ~380–520 Prohibitive 70–85% Prohibitive. High-temperature electrochemical battery (~300–350 °C) using molten sodium and sulfur. Safety exclusion zones, standby heating, insurance, and AHJ constraints make multi-day siting near load unrealistic.
Lead-acid batteries ~330–420 Prohibitive 70–80% Prohibitive. At ~100 hours the footprint, ventilation, spill containment, and poor cycle life force extreme oversizing, turning projects into land-use and permitting non-starters.
Vanadium redox flow batteries (VRFB) ~330–450 Prohibitive 70–85% Prohibitive. Massive electrolyte volumes at ~100 hours require large tanks and secondary containment; chemical handling and zoning constraints dominate without abundant cheap land.
Gravity-based storage (Energy-Vault-type concepts) ~150–250 ~300–600 70–80% Feasible but usually unattractive. Poor siting drives up civil works, foundations, structural height/weight requirements, transport logistics, and zoning/visual constraints.
Zinc-based batteries (hybrid, bromine, etc.) ~350–450 ~400–550 60–75% Feasible but marginal. Scaling to ~100 hours increases tankage and balance-of-plant complexity; unfavorable sites amplify footprint, maintenance, and EPC risk.
Lithium-ion (NMC) ~330–400 ~420–550 85–92% Feasible but practically unattractive. At ~100 hours, thermal management, fire-safety spacing, and insurance/AHJ requirements scale non-linearly on constrained sites.
Lithium-ion (LFP) ~300–380 ~380–500 85–90% Feasible but practically unattractive. Safer than NMC, but footprint, HVAC, inverter scaling, and permitting constraints still dominate at multi-day durations.
Non-vanadium flow batteries (iron, organic) ~280–400 ~350–500 65–80% Feasible but case-by-case. Lower toxicity than VRFB, but still tank-heavy; tight footprints and zoning limits erode their main advantage.
Thermal (heat-based electricity storage) ~60–110 ~120–300 30–50% Feasible but site-sensitive. Often benefits from industrial integration and ample space; without those, balance-of-plant and permitting costs rise, though buildability remains.
Compressed air energy storage (CAES) ~15–35 ~80–250 45–70% Feasible but highly site-dependent. Favorable costs assume salt caverns or excellent geology; without that, mined caverns or other costly storage options sharply increase civil-works and storage costs.
Iron-air batteries ~30–60 ~60–90 50–60% Feasible. No special geology, no high pressure, and reduced fire risk. Unfavorable siting mainly increases soft costs rather than fundamentally changing viability.


Well, 2025 was a disastrous year for climate progress. Trump has de-funded a lot of climate science, as well as other science in general, and shut down wind projects whenever possible. He has promoted infamous contrarian crackpots to provide leadership on the climate issue. So what should we do, for the time being?

We can learn something from what the Heritage Foundation did when Biden was inaugurated in 2021. The wrote down a plan, "Project 2025", of what they would do if they acquired power again.

Outreach to conservatives on climate is currently extremely difficult, because political polarization is so extreme that anything either end of the political spectrum wants, the opposite end will oppose, apparently just out of spite.

So for this meeting we will discuss climate strategy, what we will push for once the Democrats take power, and possibly ways to reach out to conservatives.

One area where progress is possible is nuclear energy.  The Republicans, including the administration, are fully supportive of nuclear energy.  The soot pollution from coal kills more people worldwide every four days than have been killed by the nuclear industry since the creation of nuclear power.  Next-gen nuclear plants cannot melt down like Fukushima did, and it is possible that with more R&D, next-gen nuclear will be cheaper, per kWh, than fossil fuls, which is unlikely to happen for renewals + storage.  If a non-intermittent energy source is discovered that is cheaper than fossil fuels, that will solve global warming right there.

If you're interested in debating people to try to change minds, there is a Facebook Group named Climate Change Debate where people go to discuss climate.  Most of the replies one gets there are ignorant snark from people who are poorly-informed and uninterested in becoming better-informed, but a substantial fraction of them are interested in good faith, constructive conversations.

One tactic that one can use when debating climate skeptics is to post links to the SkepticalScience website, which is a Wiki with rebuttals to every popular climate skeptic argument, usually with rebuttals at the "Basic", "Intermediate", and "Advanced" levels depending upon your appetite for detail.



Predictions of Impacts of Climate Change:

These estimates were obtained conversing with ChatGTP, mostly based on its reading the IPCC reports, particularly AR6.

Overall Outlook Expected
Pathway Probability Global Mean Temp in 2100 (Rel to 1880) Global Mean Temp Range in 2100 (Rel to 1880) Temp Range in the Arctic in 2100 (Rel to 1880) CO2, ppm Likelihood of million-death heat wave per decade Likelihood, per decade, of a 30% global crop failure Probability of > 1 meter sea level rise by 2100
RCP 2.6 ~10-15% ~1.6° C 1.0-2.0° C ~3.2-4.8° C ~421 ppm ~0.75% ~0.2% ~1-4%
RCP 4.5 ~50-60% ~2.1° C 1.7-2.6° C ~4.2-6.3° C ~540 ppm ~1.5% ~1% ~5-15%
RCP 6.0 ~15-20% ~2.7° C 2.0-3.3° C ~5.4-8.1° C ~670 ppm ~4.5% ~5-10% ~10-30%
RCP 8.5 ~10-15% ~4.3° C 3.2-5.4° C ~8.6-12.9° C ~936 ppm ~20-25% ~10-20% ~30-60%

The probabilities of each RCP path are not precisely known, the percent values given here are speculative.

Note that the poles warm much faster than the planet as a whole. This is problematic because global wind patterns are driven by the temperature gradient as one travels from the equator toward the poles, and prevailing wind and precipitation patterns may change, disrupting agriculture.

Once the concentration of CO2 rises above 1000 ppm, people can feel it -- the whole planet starts feeling like a stuffy room and people get uncomfortable. Some people start getting headaches and it can undermine attention-span. Sailors in submarines and astronauts are able to tolerate much higher levels than that, but it's uncomfortable for them. Note that such concentrations are unlikely before 2100, but may occur afterward.

Many people believe that climate change poses a risk of causing human extinction this century. According to the IPCC reports, that is extremely unlikely.

Heat Waves:

A heat wave in Europe in 2022 killed 60,000 people. When I lived in Germany as a kid in the 1960'-70's, no one had air conditioning, it just wasn't needed.

While the world will get hotter, we expect to get more prosperous and more of the people in hot countries will be able to afford air conditioning. But power grid failures are more likely during the heavy load when everyone turns on air conditioning during a heat wave, so a heat wave combined with a power failure could be catastrophic. For various reasons, heat waves kill more females than males.

Crop Failures:

When I say "global crop failure of 30%" I mean "simultaneous crop failures in multiple regions amounting to a global loss of 30%".

Crop failures would be caused by droughts and flooding. Note that these numbers are for a global crop failure, which means crop failures in multiple breadbaskets at once. Crop failures in any one region in isolation would be much more likely.

The thing about crop failures, other than people directly starving, is if people are hungry but not quite starving, or being bankrupted by food prices skyrocketing, this could lead to a lot of civil unrest and even warfare, for example when a severe drought caused a 40% crop failure in Russia in 2010 led to food shortages and high food prices, which contributed to the beginning of the Arab Spring, which caused the Syrian civil war and the disintegration of Libya into a failed state, both of which caused huge flows of refugees into Europe and the rise of terrorist groups. The large flow of Islamic refugees into Europe contributed to the rise of far-right political parties all over that continent. And that was just a crop failure in one country, not a global crop failure.

Another consideration is that food production will migrate more to northern latitudes. This means that Russia will control a growing share of global food production. The current ruler of Russia is a dictator who frequently murders his political opposition and is so ruthless that he has been frequently threatening nuclear warfare against non-nuclear-armed countries and conducting drone and missile attacks on residential neighborhoods, deliberately killing civilians. It would be unfortunate to be trusting that government with the power to cut off the food supply to much of the world as a political weapon.

Sea-Level Rise:

One meter is roughly 3 feet and four inches.

The estimates of sea-level rise are very uncertain. Sea-level rise is mostly caused by three things:

  1. Thermal expansion of the water in the oceans as they warm up.
  2. Land ice melting in Greenland.
  3. Land ice melting in Antarctica.

"A" and "B" are fairly straightforward for climate scientists to model and predict, but there are some very large, unstable land-based glaciers in Antarctica whose breakup could be sudden and catastrophic, and it's very hard to predict exactly when they will let go and flow into the ocean. Therefore, the numbers given here are very uncertain.

One meter doesn't sound like much sea-level rise, since most people live much more than a meter above sea-level. But it's not like everything one meter about sea-level is safe -- when storms happen, there is often a large low-pressure area at the storm that sucks sea water toward it from all directions, resulting in a temporary sea-level rise. So you might think that you're safe at 2 meters above sea-level, but that's not the case -- during hurricane Sandy in New York City in 2012, the storm raised sea-level by 2.6 meters, which combined with high tide at the time was a 3.5 meter (10' 6") sea-level rise. Many neighborhoods and homes were flooded, an important power station in Manhattan was knocked out, subway tunnels were flooded, destroying electronic equipment in them. The R subway tunnel between Manhattan and Brooklyn was shut down for a year for repairs, and the L subway tunnel was partially shut down for awhile.

Note that the probability of a two meter sea-level rise by 2100 is ~1-3%.


Past Topic: October 13th, 2025:

Accuracy of Past Predictions:

There have been many, many people modeling the climate and making predictions. Climate skeptics love to cherry-pick a bunch of failed predictions and claim that they are representative of the state of climate science, but that's not really honest.

This article lists a lot of the predictions by the most famous climate scientists, and particularly those made by the IPCC, and as you can see, they have been reasonably accurate.

Note there are weather conditions called

  • "El Niño", when currents in the central Pacific Ocean flow one way, and
  • "La Niña" when they flow in the opposite direction.
Scientists are not yet able to predict which condition will occur in a future year. El Niño years tend to be hot, and in La Niña, the heat gets redirected to the ocean depths where we're not measuring it.

1998 was a whopping-hot El Niño year, and then the first decade of this millenium was a whole series of cooler La Niña years, so actual detected warming was a bit less than predicted for that decade. But In the mid-teens, warming really took off again, and warming seems to have accelerated greatly, faster than expected, in 2023 and onward.


Past Topic: September 8th, 2025:

My Climate Science Page:

I've been going into conservative space on Facebook and engaging in debates with them about climate science since about 2016.

At least 80% of people who engage in politics do so for entertainment, and they are usually either tribal conservatives or tribal liberals. They root for their preferred ends of the political spectrum as though they are football teams. Such people are not interested in intelligent debate. They see their political opinions as badges of tribal loyalty, and are unwilling to consider any one issue in isolation from its tribal implications. They are interested in finding arguments that support their "team", which they will remember and share, while arguments that cast doubt on their "team" they will dismiss for any lame excuse that comes to mind, ignore, and forget.

If I find a conservative who is really interested in an intelligent conversation, I can make progress with them -- certainly not enough to turn them into climate activists, but usually they eventually give up and go away.

Over the years of doing these debates I have heard more and more of the arguments they are making, and come up with counterarguments, which I lay out on this page:


page link

Many times I have posted this page in conervative spaces on social media, wanting someone to engage with me. But when I do, I generally hear crickets. That's how social media works -- people are looking for things that support their team, or idiots from the other end of the spectrum saying stupid things to pounce on.

The meme about "questioning science" is very common in conservative circles -- there is a lot of "anti-science" sentiment there, they want to disbelieve climate scientists and doctors who advocate vaccines, so they claim those groups are unwilling to answer questions. I'm dying to answer their questions, but maybe a lot of liberals they engage with on these issues are not.

I do suspect that this page really is making progress with a lot of people who start reading it and choose not to engage. I encourage you to share it on social media.

Past Topic: August 12th, 2025:

Two Topics: What Are Good Sources on Climate Science?
What Are Typical Strategies of Climate Skeptics?
What Are Good Sources on Climate Science?

  • The IPCC Reports: The IPCC reports are all on the Internet and downloadable. A new one comes out every few years. Unfortunately, they're thousands of pages long, but there's always a Summary For Policymakers which is about 30 pages long that can be read in a reasonable time. Usually the IPCC reports are careful and responsible.
  • The Skeptical Science Website, where one can look up pretty much any common climate skeptic argument to find rebuttals at the "beginner", "intermediate", and "advanced" level, depending on your appetite for detail.
  • NOAA Climate at a Glance Website which gives global average surface temperatures since 1880. Since this website is provided by the federal government, Trump may force NOAA to remove it soon.
  • Charts of the Satellite Temperature Record I couldn't find this done well anywhere else, so I downloaded the data from the Internet and made plots on my own website.
  • Mallen Baker on YouTube. Years ago, he made many highly intelligent and well-informed YouTube podcasts about climate science. Lately he has switched to doing daily podcasts criticizing everything Trump does, probably because he gets more views that way, but the old stuff is worth watching.

What Are Typical Strategies of Climate Skeptics?

Quoting Noisy Data

This is one of the most frequent tactics, and many climate activists play into this trap. Some climate activists will cite short-term weather events, or individual storms, or short-term temperature data, or local temperature records, which are just mostly noisy and meaningless.

  1. Focusing on individual storms or wildfires: many climate activists and news anchors will cite individual strange weather events as "evidence of climate change" which is irresponsible. An individual storm is anecdotal and not convincing evidence of a trend. There is a website that has digitized many newspapers going back over a century, and they're computer-searchable. You can subscribe to this service for a few dollars a month. Whenever there is a strange weather event, the famous climate skeptic Tony Heller will use this service to post news stories of really wild weather or wildfires a century ago. Climate activists should be discouraged from making a big deal about individual weather events.
  2. Local daily temperature records in specific cities: This is very, very noisy. If you pick any year since good temperature records started being kept in about 1880, someone with good access to the data can find cities who had record high temperatures in that given year. So climate skeptics love posting the fact that some city somewhere had its highest recorded temperature ever a century ago.
  3. Short-term data: They will cite temperature in some city compared to one year ago and cite "cooling" -- this is just noise. To really spot trends, you have to plot global temperature over decades, ideally with the curve smoothed showing the temperature averaged over 5 years. This is why I did my own plots of the satellite temperature data so that I could show the curve over decades with a 5-year smoothing to really highlight the trend.

Citing irresponsible environmentalists

It is the nature of media and social media nowadays that nearly all the attention goes to the most extreme, shrill, and unreasonable people while the more responsible and well-informed moderates and centrists pretty much don't get noticed at all.
Many of the most famous spokespeople for the climate movement have said ridiculous things that were never backed up by the IPCC reports. Climate skeptics are having a field day quoting them all the time:

  • Al Gore is a partisan politician, not a scientist, and his main motive seems to be to scare people, rather than inform them accurately. If a dozen scientists say a dozen things, he'll quote the scariest one as though they represent the consensus. He's been doing this for long enough to have been wrong about a lot of things:
    1. In An Inconvenient Truth he showed videos of what 20 feet of sea level rise would do to the world's great coastal cities without mentioning how long it would take, which was many centuries (in 2006, when the movie came out, the IPCC was predicting 2 feet of sea level rise by 2100).
    2. In his Nobel Prize acceptance speech in 2007, he speculated that the Arctic might be ice-free in summer by 2014. It's still not ice-free in summer.
    3. Around the time the An Inconvenient Truth came out, he was saying we'd pass irreversible "tipping points" leading to impending doom unless radical action was taken immediately. It's nearly 20 years later, radical action has not been taken, and we're not past any tipping points.
  • In 2018, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez said "We're all dead in a dozen years" (by 2030) unless we passed her Green New Deal. The IPCC reports never predicted human extinction this century whether or not we do a damn thing.
  • Greta Thunberg: scolded the world at the UN because she apparently felt that climate change was going to kill her before she reached menopause. The IPCC reports predict that she will survive to be a comfortable old woman. It never ceases to amaze me that so much attention was given to such a poorly-informed, hysterical little kid.
  • MSM Liberal News Anchors: liberal lay journalists in the mainstream media are typically not scientifically very well-informed, but they are very enthusiastic about trying to convince the public that climate change is a serious problem. So they will cite nearly any slightly unusual weather event as "evidence of climate change".

Citing facts that are neither here nor there

  • "More people die of cold than of heat." -- true, but so what? There hasn't been enough climate change to kill many people yet.
  • "Carbon dioxide is good for plants" -- true, but so what? As the planet warms, wind and precipitation patterns will change, which can be expected to disrupt agriculture. Also, due to changes in something called "Hadley cells", there is a predictable pattern where some land that is now useful agriculturally will turn to desert.


Past Topic: July 8th, 2025:

Steve Koonin: Decarbonization is not worth the effort.

Steven Koonin was an assistant professor of physics at Caltech, now an engineering professor at NYU, and was chief scientist at BP from 2004-2009 and Under Secretary of Science at the Department of Energy under Obama.

He's been travelling the country advocating against decarbonization. He wrote a book "Unsettled" (which I have not read) where he makes various arguments against decarbonization.

He made this 43-minute video:

In the video, he makes the following claims:

  • Climate models are so inaccurate they're useless. So he ignores them and predicts that we will have as much warming between now and 2100 as we've had in the last 100 years, which seems to be a prediction based on gut instinct alone.
  • He claims that the impacts on humans of warming between now and 2100 will be no greater than the impacts of global warming over the last 100 years. This is very dubious -- sea level with not rise linearly with more warming -- sea level rise will accelerate as the planet warms more, and there are large land-based ice sheets in Greenland and Antarctica which are hard to model and predict which may break loose suddenly and catastrophically, causing a lot of sudden sea level rise. And sea level rises a lot locally during storms, like when it rose several feet during hurricane Sandy, flooding the R and L subway tunnels between Manhattan and Brooklyn. So as sea level rises, the amount of flooding during storms increases. Also, the polar regions have warmed up a lot more than 1.3 dgrees C already, global wind patterns are driven by the gradient of temperature as latitude increases, so with another 1.3 degrees C of warming, global wind patterns will change radically.
  • He says most commentary on climate change in the mainstream media is wildly inaccurate. He's right about that.
  • He never discusses nuclear energy in the video. I saw him give a lecture at a local Republican club, and asked him about using nuclear to solve climate change. He said he likes nuclear, but did not come up with any reason why pursuing it aggressiely wasn't a good idea, and the moderator wouldn't let me ask any more questions.
  • He argues that rapid decarbonization to net zero by 2050 would cost 5-7% of GDP every year. I don't know what estimates anyone else makes on this cost, but it will be cheaper if we decarbonize at a lower rate, or if a next-gen nuclear technology turns out to be cheaper than fossil fuels, but Koonin seems to against making any effort at all over any time frame.

Koonin's argument that we should ignore the climate modeling predictions of warming and impacts based on tremendous effort by experts and computer models while trusting his guesswork based on gut instinct alone is an awful stretch. He is arguing that we should pretty much forget about global warming, not worry about it, and emit as much greenhouse gases as we want. To make that argument, he has to argue that we somehow know with high confidence that no great harm will come of that, and it's going to take more than gut instinct to make that argument with any credibility.

One has to keep in mind that he has no lack of speaking engagements. Conservatives love hearing what he has to say.



Past Topic: June 10th, 2025:

Politics as a "Team Sport" and Trump

80-90% of people who discuss public policy do it as a "team sport" -- they say:

  • I'll be a liberal, so I will agree with liberal opinions, and nothing else, or
  • I'll be a conservative, so I will agree with conservative opinions, and nothing else

Typically, such people can't really justify their opinions with facts or logic, and they aren't persuaded by facts or logic, because facts and logic aren't how they got where they are.  Information that supports the viewpoint of their tribe they will focus on and remember, while information that rebuts it they will dismiss and forget.

I don't believe Trump ever read anything about climate change, or watched any lectures on it. I have the impression he doesn't read much, just gets his information through watching conservative TV news and paying attention to social media. So he thinks the desire for climate action is a "liberal idea" and that's all he needs to know -- he's slashed funding for climate research and is having government websites purged of the word "climate".

On nuclear energy, most moderate Democrats have come around to seeing it as probably necessary to solve climate change, but many far-left progressives and environmentalists are vehemently opposed, unwilling to listen to reason, and very vocal. This is very fortunate, because it leaves conservatives thinking that "the left hates nuclear". Which means that conservatives are for it.

So Trump has signed several executive orders expediting nuclear development. These include streamling regulation and reconsidering the highly pessimistic LNT model of radiation harm to people. This is really good news, because one of the major impediments to nuclear development has been that the industry was deliberately and maliciously strangled with onerous over-regulation enacted by anti-nuclear activists whose motivation was not to make nuclear energy safe, but rather to make it so expensive that the whole industry would eventually be driven out of business. And they nearly succeeded.


Past Climate Dinner Topics

Past Topic: May 13th, 2025

Ironically, the parts of the planet most affected by global warming are also the coldest -- the poles, which are warming 2.5 times faster than the planet as a whole. They've been observed from space since 1979, allowing us to observe the steady retreat of Arctic sea ice.

It turns out that global wind and precipitation patterns are driven by the temperature difference between the equator and the poles, and as that difference decreases, those patterns will change, disrupting agriculture.

Some are advocating geoengineering, where human interventions try to cool the planet. The most popular proposal would be to inject sulfate particles into the atomosphere to cool the planet, which could be done extremely cheaply, only cost a few billion dollars per year. But it could have drastic unforseen consequences, and everyone agrees that it is a poor substitute for reductions in greenhouse gas emissions.

Even if geoengineering cools the planet, higher CO2 levels would still be very problematic. CO2 is about 420 ppm now, when it hits about 800 ppm, everywhere on the planet, outside, will begin to feel like a stuffy room, affecting human comfort. And higher CO2 levels will change the pH of the oceans, fundamentally changing the chemisty of all the life in them.


Past Topic: April 8th, 2025

The founder of this dinner was featured on the podcast of RepublicEn., a nationwide conservative environmental group formed by former South Carolina Representative Bob Ingliss, who saw the light on climate change and travels the country preaching climate change to conservatives.

The first 5 minutes is the announcer introducing me, then 15 minutes of she and I talking, and then 7 minutes of other people winding up.

Links to the 27 minute podcast from April 1, 2025:


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