3 Topics Over Dinner

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Organizer: Bill Chapman

The next event will be on Sunday, July 20th, at 6:00 pm
Restaurant: Sombrero Mexican Restaurant
303 West 48th St, (just west of 8th Ave)
Manhattan, NY 10036         Menu

Tickets to the Event: here.

3 Topics Over Dinner is a dinner discussion group that meets on weekends. Links to articles or videos on the internet about 3 Topics, usually unrelated to one another, are posted on the event listing. Attendees read the articles (and other sources if they so wish) or watch the videos to be discussed over dinner. The idea is to be similar to a book club, only with far less reading. The idea is that this required reading / video viewing will be less than 3 hours.

We go to a different nationality restaurant every month, and always restaurants that will do separate checks for a large group, so everyone can pay with their own credit card and we don't have to figure out how to split the check. The restaurants are chosen to be quiet and nice, but not extremely exorbitant. A link to the menu of the restaurant, with prices listed, will always be provided on the announcement.

The restaurants chosen will always be in Manhattan, 77th St or further south.

RSVP's will be limited to have about 8 people at dinner, small enough that everyone can hear one another and we can conduct a single conversation.

The group has been going roughly once a month since 2008. It was formed on meetup.com and has shifted to Eventbrite.

A $5.00 deposit is required to RSVP. This deposit is refunded in cash ten minutes after the event starts. No-shows and latecomers forfeit their deposit.

Monthly Climate Science and Energy Engineering Dinner

We desperately need to get away from our screens and talk with each other in person.

"When people actually meet and get to know each other ... what Lincoln called those ‘better angels’ come out. People start recognizing themselves in each other and they start trusting each other, and that’s not just the basis for democracy, but that’s the basis for our long-term salvation." -- Barack Obama


Past Events

Sunday, July 20th Topics:


Topic 1: Slavery in Historical Context


Article: click here

Some people really, really want to believe that American slavery was somehow "unique" and the worst thing that happened to anybody anywhere. This is a view sustainable only with a profound ignorance of the facts.

Prior to 400 years ago, slavery existed everywhere. The practice probably pre-dates the use of metal as currency, and most intellectuals considered it an unfortunate but inevitable part of the human condition. The Roman Emperor Marcus Aurelius, widely revered as a great and noble Stoic philospher, was in a position to eradicate slavery, but he didn't. Jesus Christ would have seen slavery all around him in the Roman Empire, but he never told slave owners to free their slaves, and neither did the Apostle Paul, who authored much of the New Testament (he told slaves to work hard, so their owners wouldn't discourage their other slaves from becoming Christians, and he told masters to be good to their slaves, but nothing so far as freeing them.

The Native Americans enslaved one another before the whites showed up.

Male slaves were regularly castrated in The Ottoman Empire and China, and in both those places, slavery continued after it had been abolished in the US. The Ottoman Empire enslaved both Africans and Europeans (but not Muslims). Castration was not the typical practice in the US

Before South Sudanese independence, Muslim Arabs from northern Sudan would enslave Christians from southern Sudan in the late 20th century.

One of the reasons for the War of 1812 was that when Royal Navy ships were short-staffed, they would board American ships and abduct Americans to enslave as sailors for the Royal Navy. One of the demands in the American declaration of war was that Britain would stop that. America lost the war and agreed to peace without any of our grievances being addressed.

When Europeans went to tropical Africa, they quickly found that any of them who went exploring into the jungle never came back -- unlike Africans, they had no genetic resistance to tropical diseases. So they were unable to go inland to abduct slaves. Instead, they built forts on the coast and bought slaves from African tribes. The going rate was a barrel of rum per slave.


Topic 2: Debating Robots


Article: click here

Experiments show that artifical intelligence bots on social media are several times more persuasive than highly intelligent humans. What's more, the AI bots are persuasive not because they are providing logically sound arguments and accurate facts -- they lie and deliberately use known logical fallacies.

For years, I've been going into conservative spaces on social media and trying to persuade them to cooperate with climate action. But to the best of my ability, I've always been honest about facts and the arguments that I've been making have been ones that I think are valid. But I would be no match for these deceitful AI bots.

A lot of people have been alarmed by the bad rap that Israel has been getting over the war against Hamas. An AI bot has been created, Operation Iron Dome, to argue on social media on Israel's behalf.


Topic 3: How Intellectuals Found God


Article: click here
The article is paywalled.
For a pirate version click here

According to this article, many respected intellectuals are increasingly turning to religion.