3 Topics Over Dinner

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Organizer: Bill Chapman

The next event will be on Sunday, April 6th, at 6:00 pm
Restaurant: Famous Sichuan, 10 Pell St, Manhattan, NY 10013
RSVP: here.

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3 Topics Over Dinner is a dinner discussion group that meets on weekends. Links to articles or videos on the internet about 3 Topics, usually unrelated to one another, are posted on the event listing. Attendees read the articles (and other sources if they so wish) or watch the videos to be discussed over dinner. The idea is to be similar to a book club, only with far less reading. The idea is that this required reading / video viewing will be less than 3 hours.

We go to a different nationality restaurant every month, and always restaurants that will do separate checks for a large group, so everyone can pay with their own credit card and we don't have to figure out how to split the check. The restaurants are chosen to be quiet and nice, but not extremely exorbitant. A link to the menu of the restaurant, with prices listed, will always be provided on the announcement.

The restaurants chosen will always be in Manhattan, 77th St or further south.

RSVP's will be limited to have about 8 people at dinner, small enough that everyone can hear one another and we can conduct a single conversation.

The group has been going roughly once a month since 2008. It was formed on meetup.com and has shifted to Eventbrite.

A $5.00 deposit is required to RSVP. This deposit is refunded in cash ten minutes after the event starts. No-shows and latecomers forfeit their deposit.

Monthly Climate Science and Energy Engineering Dinner



April 6th Topics

Topic 1: The Abundance Movement

The Biden administration succeeded in getting a lot of funding for clean energy passed through congress, after which the environmentalists found an unexpected obstace: there was so much bureaucracy and over-regulation that progress at building the solar & wind farms and the long-distance power lines was running at a snail's pace.

Ever since the birth of the environmental movement in the sixties, the movement has opposed construction and economic growth in general. They've been fond of the hippies who would lie down in front of bulldozers and they lobbyied for as much regulation as possible, if only to maliciously gum up the works.

As a result, the US is terrible at building things.

  • Most other advanced and not-so-advanced countries have whole fleets of bullet trains and we don't.
  • It costs 6 times as much to build a mile of subway in NYC as it does in Europe.
  • Other countries, like Sweden and South Korea, can build nuclear power plants reasonably on-time and on-budget, while American ones tend to be a financial disaster.
  • It is extremely difficult to build middle-class housing in our big, successful cities like NYC due to zoning laws and local objections to building anything but luxury units. Many people who like living here leave because they can't afford the rent.

A new book, "Abundance" by Ezra Klein and Derek Thomson, published on March 18, 2025, argues that a movement of deregulation and pro-growth policies offers a new vision forward for the Democratic Party. The organizer has yet to read the book, and attendees are not expected to read it.

A review in a San Francisco newspaper covers the book in more detail.

There is also an organization, Abundance New York, which lobbies locally to help overcome zoning and bureaucratic barriers to building homes and subways.


Topic 2: Trump's Radical Shift in Foreign Policy


Donald Trump has shifted America's foreign policy from one of being "World Policeman" to being an "International Criminal".

The article is paywalled, for a pirated version click here.


Topic 3: Border Enforcement and Due Process


The United States constitution is silent on what rights, if any, people who want to immigrate have. It really only deals with 3 classes of human beings: citizens, slaves, and "Indians not taxed".

There are compelling reasons the borders must be enforced:

  • For Americans who went to college, the presence of illegal immigrants means cheap nannies and gardeners. But for those who didn't, it means they must compete economically with them, which is a nightmare. The illegals are far more motivated than Americans -- if they don't work, they starve. As fugitives from the law, they lack the ability to assert their rights -- they will put up with any abuse the employer dishes out -- they won't even sue if they are stiffed!
  • Liberal Nobel-Prize winning economists tell the public "The undocumented workers do only work that Americans won't do." and Americans without a college degree see jobs all around them cooking food, waiting tables, in landscaping and construction, jobs they want, being filled by Hispanics with foreign accents, and realize that liberal experts are lying to them. Other economists claim, forfeiting all credibility, that the law of supply and demand is magically suspended in the low-skilled labor market.
  • The reasons why the United States is so much more desirable a place to live than the immigrants' countries of origin are not discussed a lot and are not well-understood, but culture probably plays a role. And immigrants, if they come in sufficiently large numbers, bring the dysfunction of their cultures with them. Many Central American countries are overrun with street gangs and cartels. News flash: street gangs and cartels are not caused by tropical weather, they are caused by the culture and values of the people who choose to join them, and immigrants bring that culture and values with them. In the United States, a Hispanic is, on average, more than a dozen times more likely to be a gang member than a non-Hispanic white.
  • In the 1800's, we accepted nearly any immigrant who could make it across the Atlantic. We could do that without being overwhelmed because technology at the time was such that the trip was difficult and expensive. But technology today is such that transportation is no longer such a barrier, and the sheer numbers who will come if we let them would completely overwhelm and destroy our country.
  • The best way for the US to help improve the lot of the poorer world is by setting a cultural example of how to do things right. But if we throw the borders open, as the Democrats are wont to do, our culture will be overwhelmed and diluted by the immigrants, and we will eventually develop a third-world culture, with all the dysfunction that comes with that.

Nationwide border encounters per year.

Asylum claims by year

We currently have many voters, in fact a whole political party, who do not want any effective border enforcement. They tend to judge immigration policies solely on the basis of how nice they are to would-be immigrants. They argue that those who want to immigrate should be afforded all the "due process" afforded citizens. I have heard them argue that the constitution, international law, and treaties that we have signed, dictate that anyone who shows up at our borders and demands asylum has the right to be afforded a lengthy trial, and while that trial is conducted, they should be released inside the country, free to go wherever they want, heading for the nearest "sanctuary" where they can work and live indefinitely without fear of deportation, regardless of the verdict the courts eventually reach with regard to their asylum claim. That means that "due process" is a national suicide pact.

We currently have 14-20 million people living in this country who aren't supposed to be here. Most of them have not committed crimes since arriving, as they are on best behavior since they realize that getting arrested could lead to deportation. How much evidence should be required to remove them, and how many mistaken removals among those millions would be tolerable?

Trump deported 200 Venezuelan alleged gang members directly to an El Salvadoran prison. This is troublesome, because it is not merely removing someone from the country, but actually imprisoning them, probably for a long time. What methods should we use to determine if someone is a gang member -- they don't carry "gang ID's" on them. They won't admit to being gang members. Often they have identifying tattoos -- should that be enough evidence? The DHS seems to think so.

There has been some ruckus and outrage over the arrest and deportation of technically law-abiding legal immigrants, but according to the law, the secretary of state has the authority to deport any legal immigrant at his whim.