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Organizer: Bill Chapman

Sunday, July 19th, at 6:00 pm
Han Bat Korean Restaurant, 53 West 35th St, East of Herald Square, Menu
Tickets to the Event: here. (Fee refunded in cash when you show up on time).

3 Topics Over Dinner is a dinner discussion group that meets on weekends. Links to articles or videos on the internet about 3 Topics, usually unrelated to one another, are posted on the event listing. Attendees read the articles (and other sources if they so wish) or watch the videos to be discussed over dinner. The idea is to be similar to a book club, only with far less reading. The idea is that this required reading / video viewing will be less than about 2 hours.

We go to a different nationality restaurant every month, and always restaurants that will do separate checks for a large group, so everyone can pay with their own credit card and we don't have to figure out how to split the check. The restaurants are chosen to be quiet and nice, but not extremely exorbitant. A link to the menu of the restaurant, with prices listed, will always be provided on the announcement.

The restaurants chosen will always be in Manhattan, 77th St or further south.

RSVP's will be limited to have about 8 people at dinner, small enough that everyone can hear one another and we can conduct a single conversation.

The group has been going roughly once a month since 2008. It was formed on meetup.com and has shifted to Eventbrite.

A $5.00 deposit is required to RSVP. This deposit is refunded in cash ten minutes after the event starts. No-shows and latecomers forfeit their deposit.

We desperately need to get away from our screens and talk with each other in person.

"When people actually meet and get to know each other ... what Lincoln called those ‘better angels’ come out. People start recognizing themselves in each other and they start trusting each other, and that’s not just the basis for democracy, but that’s the basis for our long-term salvation." -- Barack Obama

Past Events


Sunday, July 19th Topics: Working From Home, British Pakistani Grooming Gangs, Immigration and Democracy


We Love Working at Home,
But is it Good For Us?



This article (paywalled, pirate article here) argues that while people say they enjoy working at home, in fact their social life suffers because they don't replace all the face-to-face interaction that work offers.
There are many disadvantages with socializing at work:
  • If you're doing badly at work, your co-workers are less likely to include you in anything.
  • If you're a heterosexual working in a profession dominated by your own gender (engineering, law enforcement, or firefighting dominated by males; fashion design, social work, nursing, or elementary school teaching dominated by females) romantic opportunities are few.
  • The #metoo movement criminalized any romantic advance made in the workplace.
  • If you're not 100% woke and you make observations about basic realities that are staring you in the face, woke co-workers, particularly young ones, will report you to HR, threatening your job.
  • Some engineering workplaces are dominated by H-1B immigrants from cultures with a strong tradition of arranged marriage, so these immigrants are often unwilling to make the effort to assimilate to the English language and American culture well enough to socialize with native-born Americans, since acquiring a spouse is just a matter of a phone call to their parents.

At work, I prefer to just eat lunch alone at my desk, and make friends through groups that have nothing to do with work, like events organized on Meetup, Eventbrite, Luma, or Craigslist Activities.


Pakistani "Grooming Gangs"
in Great Britain



Cancel culture is very powerful and feared in the US.  If someone is accused of "bigotry" in the workplace, however frivolously, a compelling case can be made to fire them, since if a discrimination lawsuit occurs and the plaintiff can make a case that the company tolerates "bigots", particularly in management, it strengthens their case. And American companies are petrified of lawsuits.

This leads to a climate of terror among all professionals with any ambition, of doing anything that can be perceived as the least bit "bigoted".

It turns out cancel culture has gotten even more absurd in England, where they lock people up for criticizing Islamic culture.

A British mother went to the police complaining that her young teenage daughter was missing and had a history of being sexually abused by Middle Eastern adults, and the cops told her she was a bigot and should go away.

It turns out that gangs of Muslim men, particularly Pakistanis, had figured out how to traffic lower-class British white girls into prostitution, this was happening to hundreds of thousands of such girls, and the police kept turning a blind eye to the whole thing, terrified of having their own careers destroyed by accusations of "bigotry".  Word was reaching British politicians, who avoided discussing it, fearing alienating Muslim voters.

Ayaan Hirsi Ali makes an interesting point here -- British feminists should have been alert to this problem (paywalled, pirate version here), but they were asleep at the wheel.  Feminism, rather than being focused on protecting the interests of females, has been co-opted by the broader Social Justice movement, which views Western Civilization and white people as the sole source of evil in the world, and immigrants and Muslims as "victims" who can do no wrong.

To be clear, it is not just Pakistani gangs who do this -- the movie "Very Young Girls" is about prostitution of girls by native-born American pimps in New York City, and the norm is that the pimps romantically befriend very young girls, then manipulate them into prostitution.  The twist where the gang will have someone close to the girl's age make the first contact, then hand her over to much older men, is something I hadn't heard of before.  But what's really unique about these British cases is the cowardice of British law enforcement, and their failure to accept that being called rude names by Social Justice Warriors every once in awhile is part of their job.


Most Politicians Don't Like
Enforcing Borders
A Huge Fraction of Voters
Disagree With Them


German Public opinion on immigration and political party stances,
2013 (before immigrating a million Syrian military-aged males)



German Public opinion on immigration and political party stances,
2017 (after immigrating a million Syrian military-aged males),
and the formation of the nutty far-right AfD party


Nutty far right political parties have been making a lot of gains in Europe, and we have Trump here.

All that the opponents of these nutty parties have to do to prevent this ascendancy is enforce the borders.  That's it.  That's all it would take.  But they won't.

If MAGA is any guide, these nutty far-right parties don't bring with them merely a sensible package of policies combined with border enforcement, they bring all sorts of nuttiness and destructiveness with them:
  • A complete disrespect for expertise, which opens the door to rampant stupidity.
  • A love for conspiracy theories.
  • A "gangster" model of international relations where militarily powerful countries can abuse weaker ones at their whim, without any ideological justification.
  • A disrespect for constitutional norms.
  • Blatant corruption.
  • For reasons I don't understand, a widespread belief that Putin is a swell guy, once you get to know him.
  • At least in the case of Trump, politicians who lie constantly about everything.

In the US, Democrats lie through their teeth claiming that their border enforcement is adequate, citing high numbers of "deportions", where they count "turning someone back at the border to try again the next day" as a "deportation".  But when Trump began deporting settled residents in large numbers, Democrats threw hysterical fits in Minneapolis resisting it.